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Society deals primarily with cosmetic change, no matter how threatened the world is. But, the way we think got us into the mess we are in, and, unless we grapple with paradigm change, it's fingers in the dike. For this column, send your thoughts about what outside the box ideas might contribute to setting us on a better course.
Look at this chilling story by the great British journalist, George Monbiot, about the recent UN Climate Change Conference in Copenhagen. It concludes:
"...we have to stop calling it climate change. Using 'climate change' to describe events like this, with their devastating implications for global food security, water supplies and human settlements, is like describing a foreign invasion as an unexpected visit, or bombs as unwanted deliveries. It's a ridiculously neutral term for the biggest potential catastrophe humankind has ever encountered. I think we should call it 'climate breakdown.'"
If we knew that without intervention the world would end at a finite date, humanity would dramatically scratch its collective head. Short of a deadline to save ourselves, what could we do that might change our course? Here are some of my thoughts.
1. My #1 idea is to investigate the crop circle phenomenon. If we knew there was other intelligence, which the circles indicate, we would be one humanity in relation to 'the other,’ working together to solve planetary problems.
2. Promote a change of paradigm where getting the most money as the primary goal would be replaced by doing the most good.
Make a brilliant ad campaign: "Whoever Does the Most Good Wins!"
3. Have revered states people look out from TV and address the human core in everyone, urging us to think as a planet to solve the challenges we face.
4. President calls for a moment of silence perhaps noon in every time zone, for everyone to stop what they are doing and focus on one thing -- try to harness the power of thought. England possibly avoided WWII invasion that way.
5. Call for a truce worldwide, where wars end -- via inducements, including a clean slate for everyone. Even terrorists. Promise everyone universal health care, universal education and job training, and whatever it would take to give everyone the fundamentals of a decent life. Pay for it with military budgets.
6. Give ecstasy to people we want info from -- turn evil people into heart-connected ones.
7. Use plants for vision, a la shamans who use psychedelic substances for guidance.
8. Convene a new Twilight Club. "The Twilight Club was an organization founded in the late 19th century, with the intention to counter the moral decline by bolstering up the spiritual and ethical awareness of the society. Illustrious members were Ralph Waldo Emerson, Herbert Spencer, Walt Whitman, Andrew Carnegie, Oliver Wendell Holmes, and Mark Twain...From this club, service clubs such as the Rotary Club and the Lions evolved."
When I was invited to see a rough cut of THRIVE, to review the crop circle content, I was concerned about the movie taking positions that people who were interviewed for it would object to. I said I thought it was urgent to confirm with them that indeed they would be all right being in the movie. That never happened, and this statement that just was issued is the other shoe dropping:
Disassociation From Thrive Statement
We are a group of people who were interviewed for and appear in the movie Thrive, and who hereby publicly disassociate ourselves from the film.
Thrive is a very different film from what we were led to expect when we agreed to be interviewed. We are dismayed that we were not given a chance to know its content until the time of its public release. We are equally dismayed that our participation is being used to give credibility to ideas and agendas that we see as dangerously misguided.
We stand by what each of us said when we were interviewed. But we have grave disagreements with some of the film’s content and feel the need to make this public statement to avoid the appearance that our presence in the film constitutes any kind of endorsement.
Signatories (in alphabetical order)
Deepak Chopra
Duane Elgin
Amy Goodman
Paul Hawken
Edgar Mitchell
John Robbins
Elisabet Sahtouris
Vandana Shiva
The internet is buzzing about this statement. Here’s a piece that will tell you more: Author John Robbins, Other Progressives Denounce ‘Thrive’: The Santa Cruz–based author is joined by Deepak Chopra and others in a statement distancing themselves from the film
Some quotes:
In issuing their statement distancing themselves from Thrive, Robbins and his colleagues point out that they are “dismayed” that the Gambles refused to let them know what the film was about until the time of its public release. In interviews with the Weekly several weeks ago, Paul Hawken and Elisabet Sahtouris both said Foster Gamble misrepresented the film when he asked them to participate.
Robbins says it’s clear that Gamble used him and the others to draw people to Thrive. He is distressed that the film weaves progressive ideas into its paranoid, radical libertarian narrative. But he stops short of accusing Gamble of deliberately deceiving his audience.
“Foster is extremely naïve about the political consequences of his film,” Robbins concludes.
Where to from here? Could a win/win come out of this? Here’s what I’d said, early on, to Foster Gamble, who comes from the deep Proctor & Gamble pockets that got this movie made and widely seen. It’s his fortune and he can spend it as he wishes, but my thought is to join forces for the greater good to where the message and the campaign for change can be widely acceptable. Here’s what I’ve said to Foster:
It would be great to work together. We clearly have the same passion and desires about life!
The film is a done deal, but it is bothersome to me that its good intentions are sullied by extremist claims. In your zeal to make the world work, see Charles Eisenstein: Synchronicity, Myth, and the New World Order. It’s a perspective that seems credible to me. I could see you building on THRIVE as the first of a pair or maybe a trilogy of films, where you go from humanity being oppositional and adversarial to promoting a higher stand about raising each person’s consciousness as the answer to the world’s ills.
Or maybe something else. There is so much that is “outside the box” that would force us to re-think our story about who we are and what we are doing here. Unless we change our worldview, it’s fingers in the dike to deal with all the challenges we face, which of course is what the movie is getting at. But you don’t need the global elite as the enemy — in a way “science” is a culprit, keeping us fixated on observable reality so that the bigger picture, where consciousness and spirit reside, gets marginalized. I’d love to see an event – a conference perhaps — that brought out so much contradiction to our story that we would have to deal with changing it. Something like that could make the movie, as the sponsor, into something even bigger than the movie, which would go a ways to toward making its shortcomings somewhat irrelevant.
It is something perhaps to contemplate that I was the last interview on Rosie O’Donnell’s last TV show on Oprah’s network, OWN. I trust it was tongue in cheek when several people suggested that that’s what got the show cancelled!
Rosie was excited about discovering my movie on her Sirius Radio show last year, before she started on the TV Show, and then had me on with her and told me that she’d be doing a crop circle show with me on OWN – that turned into what’s above!
4,400 people Liked Rosie’s Facebook page post about the show ending, and a couple thousand of them wrote her love notes – she is a formidable force and I wish there was a direct way you all could urge her to go with me to England this summer and be the celebrity that could get attention paid to the circles.
I just got this email from Nancy Talbott, who is the bottom line for the scientific studies that have been done of the crop circles, and the one she is dealing with here is a stunner. You know, no matter how many circles are hoaxed — and opinions vary widely for this randomly tended to phenomenon, where there is no central organization to coordinate information — there are conclusive pieces of data that point to off-planet origins for what is, as the tag line of my movie says, “the crop circle mystery.”
One postscript to what’s below is that thistle is not something you want to be messing around in. Getting scratched by it causes nasty welts. Little trivia department: there is a cabbagy kind of plant which grows around thistles, and rubbing the leaves on scratches prevents them from welting up!
See more of what is posted on http://BLTResearch.com for what I refer to when people ask for definitive proof that there is a real phenomenon.
Hi All:
In 2004, the BLT Research Team posted the most comprehensive scientific study carried out to-date on a single crop circle: a 191-foot long, 7-circle formation in thistle-invested barley in Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.
Although the field was planted in barley, it was infested with Canadian thistle, a tough and very prickly plant which is extremely difficult to flatten.
In spite of this, the seven circles were found to be intricately flattened, with a narrow counter-clockwise band around the perimeter of each circle which was underneath a radially-laid second layer, topped off with a totally chaotic third layer on top.
With financial support from Laurance Rockefeller, we were able to carry out a thorough examination of the plants, as well as testing of the surface soils for the presence of magnetic spheres and an x-ray diffraction analysis of specific heat-sensitive clay minerals in these surface soils. The results were as strong as any we have seen.
The plants showed massive node elongation and presence of multiple expulsion cavities and the magnetic spheres were also present. Most stunning was the discovery of an increase in the crystalline structure of the clay minerals in the surface soils, a change previously known by geologists to occur only in sedimentary rock–never in surface soils before.
During the study, neither I nor any of the four BLT scientific consultants involved in this study were aware that another highly anomalous situation was related to this crop formation–that there were at least four eyewitnesses to UFOs over the study field shortly before the crop circle was discovered. The TV show “Unsolved Mysteries” did, in fact, document these sightings and we’ve now posted an edited version of that show at the beginning of our “XRD Clay Mineral Study Report” (video clip posted right beneath the diagram of the XRD Study crop circle): http://www.bltresearch.com/xrd.php.
Nancy Talbott
BLT Research Team Inc.
P.O. Box 400127
Cambridge, MA 02140 (USA)
phone: 617/492-0415 http://bltresearch.com
Jonathan Talat Phillips, author of The Electric Jesusand co-founder of Reality Sandwich and Evolver(I hosted a series of crop circle webinars, and am about to do another series, for them), has written a review of Wanderlust, a movie that open today. It sets straight a world that is becoming ever more exposed to a life-altering substance: Ayahuasca: What Jennifer Aniston May Not Know About the ‘Spirit Vine’. Boy, does Hollywood get it wrong.
The way Wanderlust treats ayahuasca reminds me of how misrepresented the crop circles were in SIGNS. At first, circle lovers were infuriated – how dare they coopt our beautiful phenomenon?! But then, we realized it wasn’t a totally negative picture. SIGNS acquainted many people with the existence of the circle phenomenon, which is a first step to any dawning awareness. And, we were grateful the movie had the circles coming from aliens — despite how preposterously fictionalized a Hollywood sort of thing it was, at least they weren’t being ascribed to people. In the case of Wanderlust, ayahuasca has been mischaracterized as to how it works and what it does, but at least it’s been introduced to a mainstream audience without demonizing it. Two steps forward, one step back, on the road to the next reality.
PS: From the piece: “National Geographic adventurer Kira Salak wrote about how overcoming a ‘devil’ in an ayahuasca vision vanquished her life-long struggle with depression in what has become ‘the most popular article the magazine has ever published, bringing in 20 times more reader response mail than any previous article.’” See Inside Story, the post I put up in 2006 about that incredible report!
Coming into the New Year I’ve been looking beyond my movie for how to help the situation we are in where we need to uplevel our operating system here on Earth.
Given a worldview in which we are so violent with one another and so abusive to the planet, I deal with the crop circles because they might lead to reconceptualizing ourselves. As the only higher intelligence we have nothing to compare ourselves to, or to rub against, to hone us or to challenge us to become more conscious and more compassionate. If we knew the circles were coming from other intelligence, just from sensing ourselves as one humanity in relation to “the other” we would rethink everything. That ground of being would enable us to work together, giving us our best chances to solve the challenges we face as we run out of resources and heat up this living planet.
So, what more for me now? How else can I help to bring about a change of worldview?
John Stephenson hosts the radio show on which I do Outside the Box segments, and also is a web designer. He’s working on an expansion of my blog site – MAKING SENSE OF THESE TIMES: Inspirations and Amusements Along the Road to the Next Reality. It’s being conceived as a beacon for that next reality.
One thing it will include is brief accounts — writing and videos — of INSTANCES OF INCONTROVERTIBLE KNOWING, where we are taken beyond ordinary reality by someone who has had a breakthrough experience and is articulate about it. I would much appreciate your submissions, and your passing this to anyone you know who might submit.
This is an example, from Mellen-Thomas Benedict:
I found myself in a profound stillness, beyond all silence. I could see or perceive FOREVER, beyond Infinity. I was in the Void. I was in pre-creation, before the Big Bang. I had crossed over the beginning of time/the First Word/the First vibration. I was in the Eye of Creation. I felt as if I was touching the Face of God. It was not a religious feeling. Simply I was at one with Absolute Life and Consciousness. When I say that I could see or perceive forever, I mean that I could experience all of creation generating itself. It was without beginning and without end.
(I did a post about Mellen which includes the highly recommended and well-known piece from which this paragraph is excerpted. Also, at about 50 minutes into John’s latest radio show, dated 1/15/2012, I talk about Mellen’s astonishing account of when he presumably died.)
What would give us the sense of being one humanity, where service to the whole would be the master game? All thoughts for the website or otherwise are welcome.
May we help the world see Earth as part of a greater reality!