Comments on: Cymatics and Crop Circles — no accidents here https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/ Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:37:06 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=5.7.12 By: alyssa rose https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9462 Tue, 29 Jun 2010 06:37:06 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9462 Love reading everybody’s opinions. I really am puzzled like everybody else as to how they are formed. The feeling they give me from viewing on the web is very nurturing and loving.I also purchased crop circle stones and held them in my hand and got the same feeling.I was so touched I cried. I’m going to Wiltshire for six weeks to experience the phenomenon and attend crop circle conferences in two weeks. I will be sure to report back.Thanks for having such an awesome website Suzanne! aloha (great meeting you here in Hawaii)

]]>
By: Steve Gray https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9393 Sat, 19 Jun 2010 03:28:27 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9393 Of all the explanations of crop circles, their being the result of natural forces is by far the least likely. If nothing else, intention in their creation is extremely clear. Crop patterns are one of the few things it makes sense to be literally agnostic about, because all the proposed explanations have serious defects.

Being a hard-core skeptic about almost all new-agey things, I reject most of the assorted oddball notions that people often associate with the circles. But the circles themselves are a true mystery, like nothing else on earth.

It would be very nice if the “skeptics” took a more open-minded look at the phenomenon. I think they would agree that there is a genuine puzzle. Unfortunately the Doug-Dave and similar publicity has allowed scientists and skeptics to attribute the patterns to hoaxing and to ignore the real evidence.

]]>
By: William Stoertz https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9390 Fri, 18 Jun 2010 04:11:50 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9390 I am the author of one version of the Unified Field Theory (designated “Humanitarian” by the Nobel Prize winner Yuri Kulakov) from 1995, which I started to receive suddenly by spiritual revelations. The “evolution” of the crop circles is understandable and explainable by the “Existential Principle”, whereby the crop circles are interacting with the existential state of human beings.
According to this theory, it is not the mechanical means by which something manifests, but rather the existential source, which is namely the extant state of human beings’ mentality, their ability to perceive and respond and interact with the phenomenon, and its social significance.
Human existentiality also interfaces with the biosphere — “Gaia” or “Mother Earth” if you will call it that.
Thus, it is immaterial whether the crop circles are created by UFOs from space, by transcendental, hyperdimensional entities, by subterranean intelligence, by a unique weather phenomenon, by the fields themselves, or even by human agents.
What is important is that we are now ready to receive a certain message through the crop circle, and it is crucial that we respond appropriately, as the existence of humankind on this earth depends in large part upon uplifting our consciousness to meet to the level of consciousness producing the crop circles — which is clearly attuned to the Cosmos, to Nature, to the Earth, and to the psyche of Man.
No “paternalism” or “patriarchy” intended here!
William S. Stoertz, High School Philosophy Teacher

from ST:
I hear a fair number of explanations of where crop circles come from, but what seems to me to be elemental is that there are embodied creatures doing the job. Designs are being created, and designing is one characteristic of what so far we only know can be done by human beings who make choices — in this case about patterns and about placements. Something else that is embodied I would think would be a necessary element of the circle phenomenon. Maybe your comment doesn’t preclude that, where the source is somehow how wise we all are collectively and it comes through anything. But then, what is there to uplevel? Hmmmm.

But no argument about needing to uplevel our awareness.

]]>
By: George Bishop https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9387 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:45:32 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9387 Whilst we all understand the characteristics of cymatics, that does not mean that this is in anyway part of the mechanical process of producing crop circles. It maybe simply that the produced catalogue of patterns suggests a blueprint for circle makers to copy. Crop circles follow trends which suggests that they evolve in shape and complexity. I do not accept that they started with simple circles in the 1980’s and progressed from there. (See Terry Wilson’s Secret History of Crop Circles) If a cymatic pattern had appeared in a Victorian field it would probably not have been recognized. Those who have stood in large patterns will be well aware that they often can only describe the formation as a group of circles, until they get an aerial view they have little comprehension of the complexity or otherwise of the formation.It is the advent of aerial surveillance that has enabled us to see the patterns, and the work of the media that has spread the information further and faster. Refer to the article “News out of Hartfordshire” in 1678 which bears all of the hallmarks we expect to see in a “genuine” crop circle, but is grossly misunderstood in the media of the time. So much so that modern interpretations can be misleading too.

from ST:
Agreed, no relationship between circles and cymatics re how they are made, just a possible origin for some of the patterns. And thanks for that clarification re the evolution. It always bothers me when described as simple to complex, especially because of that classic piece of the lore from 1678, known as the Mowing Devil, which certainly is not a simple circle.

]]>
By: George Bishop https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9386 Thu, 17 Jun 2010 08:32:32 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9386 Nancy is quite right, they do on occasion cross field and road boundaries. If the phenomenon is wind generated then such boundaries would interfere with the generative force and they would probably be indistinguishable from ‘ordinary’ lodging. However there are many instances of ‘cohesive’ lodging that defies the simple explanation as “wind damage”, “mechanical damage” or “chemical interference”. Such ‘lodging’ often exhibits all of the hallmarks of ‘genuine’ crop circles.

Some of the ‘lodging’ even seems to defy the laws of physics and common sense altogether.

]]>
By: Nancy Talbottt https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9381 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:45:43 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9381 It looks as if you are working hard at continuing to get the circle phenomenon out to people…good work.

Need to tell you about an inaccuracy I noted, tho. Crop circle DO cross field boundaries, as well as roads, hedge-rows, etc., from time to time (see Item #3: http://www.bltresearch.com/otherfacts.php — and I have many other photos, from various countries)…..and the scientific evidence clearly indicates that the same “energy” sometimes creates “randomly-downed” (not geometric designs), sometimes in conjunction with geometric formations, sometimes not (Item #2: http://www.bltresearch.com/otherfacts.php, and second section of Part 1: http://www.bltresearch.com/fieldreports/uk2009.php) …..just thought you’d like to be aware of this.

from ST:
Nancy is the expert from the science end of things, who knows what she is talking about. The only thing I’d add is that this info doesn’t contradict the point I was making about intentional placement in the fields. Even if there are some instances of formations crossing field boundaries, vast numbers of them would if all placements were random.

]]>
By: Finley Eversole https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9379 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 19:08:30 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9379 Hans Jenny’s work in Cymatics is fascinating, but the Ageless Wisdom or Perennial Philosophy (just a few of the names by which this ancient Wisdom is called) has always taught that All Forms without exception are the product of Sound Vibrations — be that form an atom, cell, human being, planet or solar system, etc. All world scriptures speak of Sound (e.g. AUM)or a Word (e.g. prolog of Gospel of John)giving rise to the manifest cosmos. The Cosmos is a vast Symphony, and all Forms are Notes in that symphony.

from ST:
You hear opinions that sound was the key to the making the likes of the Pyramids, too. We talk in the film about the possibility we are heading for a vast shift where we will regain powers we once had. It’s one of my favorite points we make.

It would be extremely interesting if someone could take the designs of the many fabulous crop circles and figure out how to convert each specific design into its corresponding sound.

Your premise is that all the patterns do correspond to sounds but that does not seem likely. Much creative ingenuity tha seems to be original design for most of them.

We’re told that during the Aquarian Age the sciences will increasingly use sound as the key to creative work in many fields, such as physics, engineering, healing, etc. During the 1960s, I wrote in one of my notebooks, “Sound will be the foremost science of the 21st century.” That was an intuitive hunch, but I’m seeing more and more work at the frontier of many disciplines which suggest it was a correct hunch.

]]>
By: D' Onna https://theconversation.org/cymatics-and-crop-circles-no-accidents-here/comment-page-1/#comment-9377 Wed, 16 Jun 2010 15:55:52 +0000 http://theconversation.org/?p=823#comment-9377 The most plausible thought as to method for transmitting messages. I had thought along the same lines using some form of advanced Tesla based activity.

]]>