So as not to be a one-note person, here's something besides crop circles to be in awe of. I don't know what else to say but WOW! As listmember Monika Roloff, from Australia, who sent me this says, it's “certain proof of more elite knowledge and civilizations 2,000 years ago…” Click for streaming video:
I'm reminded of Forbidden Archeology: The Hidden History of the Human Race, which challenges the prevailing theory of Darwinian evolution. That book, which could blast us out of our worldview, contains evidence of ancient human origins — 914 pages of what can't be, but is. Our science-based worldview won't admit such information — it would change everything, and we are attached to the way we've explained things to be. Anything that doesn't just add more information to society's pile, but instead forces us to erect a new pile, always has a hard time getting through.
I interviewed author Michael Cremo at a crop circle conference for my documentary, but the background noise unfortunately prevented me from using the footage. This is from his website:
“Over the past two centuries researchers have found bones and artifacts showing that people like ourselves existed on earth millions of years ago. But the scientific establishment has ignored these remarkable facts because they contradict the dominant views of human origins and antiquity. Cremo and Thompson challenge us to rethink our understanding of human origins, identity, and destiny. Forbidden Archeology takes on one of the most fundamental components of the modern scientific world view, and invites us to take a courageous first step towards a new perspective.”
This is from a review on the site:
“…the existence of human bones that were discovered in Illinois in rock from the Carboniferous period as well as human footprints from the same period in Kentucky and from the Jurassic period in Turkmenistan. Man was not only living in these remote periods, but also he had already an advanced civilization. As evidence they cite fossil anchors found in the depths of quarries, a mysterious inscription on a piece of marble extracted from its natural rock, a piece of money from the middle Pleistocene, a fossilized shoe sole from the Triassic, and even a metal vase from the Precambrian (600 million years ago). Official science, charge Cremo and Thompson, refuses to take into account these vestiges because they threaten the established conception of the origin of man.”
From: Monika Roleff [monr@smartchat.net.au]
How cool, Suzanne! Those extra links are amazing! Hope the message gets out there!!!
From: Simon Peter Fuller [simonpeter@wwv.me.uk]
Don't forget the “Engraved Stone of ICA” (Peru near Nazca) either – dating back 350 million years and depicting a civilization well in advance of us! Earth is simply a nursery of consciousness, nurturing starseeds and sending them on their way when developed.
From: James B. Hopkins [drjames@harmonixhealing.com]
Thank you for sharing this marvelous information with your friends and contacts.
I am extremely aware of the Antikythera Mechanism!!! The scientists were utterly astonished when they recently concluded that the mechanism was engineered around 140 BC. However I can tell you that they will eventually be even more astonished when they finally realize that this mechanism was first constructed 350 years earlier by the Pythagoreans, in Crotone, the most southern tip of Italy (which was considered Greece at the time — the scientists were close when they concluded that “it may have come from Sicily”). Pythagoras brought this technology back from the Egypt. (It is well documented that he spent 23 years studying there.) God knows where the Egyptians “got it.”
Pythagoras was the onLY Westerner EVER to be accepted and initiated into their institutions and he brought this knowledge/wisdom to the West. He was the first known Westerner to teach that the sun was the center of the Universe (2000 years before Copernicus) & was fully able to predict solar and lunar eclipse's accurately through precise mathematics performed by this mechanism — 2000 years before historians believed that the gear was invented (not 1500). He had similar mechanisms constructed by masters that lived in his “closed communities.” These mechanisms were perfectly accurate “computers” of the ancient world. They were much like our “modern day” computers & calculators. They could not only perform astronomically complex mathematical calculations but it could also predict precisely, the exact positions of all the planets at any time in the future or the past. Historians thought that “the gear” was invented in 1500, until they discovered THIS mechanism. However the fact is that similar mechanisms were functional in Greece 350 years earlier than this discovery!
How wonderful for “modern man” to finally realize that our culture is deeply rooted in both ancient mysticism as well as tremendously advanced scientific understanding capability.
From: Gil Friend [gfriend@natlogic.com]
Well, you say that our science-based worldview won't admit such information but that worldview depends on using just such information to test hypotheses of what's so. So it sounds like you're criticizing science by using science! 😉 The real issue of course isn't “science” but how the scientific establishment uses (or misuses) science. Or are you fundamentally criticizing an evidence-based way of understanding the world?
(The key of course is how good this “ancient civilization” info is! Can't tell from his web site, except for the concern that he reports on what various people said but doesn't provide links or citations — always a red flag imho.)
(The Antikythera — fascinating, thanks, hadn't known of it; shades of The Golden Compass — of course is 2000 years old, not 800,000.)
From Suzanne to Gil
An evidence based way to understand the world is invaluable, but, for another of my broken record commentaries, there are things that fall outside the realm of science where there's evidence which get marginalized, leaving us observers in a soulless world rather than participants in a sacred one
Then there are things that do offer evidence, that our science based world won't consider. Anything threatening enough to the current paradigm has a hard time getting attention paid. I shouldn't have stuck science into that sentence, and just left it at the idea that paradigms die hard.
From: Noa Winter Lazerus [
whirledmuse@mac.com]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/mom.html#overviewbumped into this page
always amazed at the controversies and never quite sure where to land honestly..
i mean, as a rule the science community is pretty dedicated to finding the truth… nothing really lost if these ideas are true, it won't shake the world.. more than religion versus evolution..
ponder ponder..
From Suzanne to Noa
It's a puzzlement. Cremo produced a whole other fat book of critiques and answers to them, which I was impressed by when we talked about it:
Product Description: Forbidden Archeology's Impact offers readers an inside look at how mainstream science reacts with ridicule, threats and intimidation to any challenge to its deeply held beliefs.
Far be it from me to sort all this out definitively, but the original book is a whopper and it's hard to believe that it all could be specious. And given my crop circle involvement, I see how the world rebuffs what would change everyone's mind about who we are and what we're doing here. Scientism isn't pretty. I've got a petition online to ask for attention to the circles, and my science based people won't sign on. A danger to their funding: A Call For an Investigation of What is Known About Crop Circles http://TheConversation.org/call.htm
From: Daphne Rose Kingma [daphne@daphnekingma.com]
Wow! Apparently we disappeared under a rock for 200 million years!
From: Sharon Sherard [
mailto:sharonsherrard@aol.com]Wow this is really W O W! I love this stuff! thank you for sending it. I am ordering Forbidden Arch.
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